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Products => Builder & Personality file requests => Topic started by: Rayco on September 02, 2010, 09:59:19 AM
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Have four or this in the workshop, quite old fixtures but very bright so would be nice to use them.
Manual is terrible and the company has gone bust so but they are single arm moving heads with colour and gobo wheels.
There are 9 control channels and the detailed information of control is as follow:
1 Pan scan - 0 – 255, pan 0-540' scan from slow to quick
2 X axis 16 Bit - 0 – 255 adjust speed from slowly to fast
3 Tilt scan - 0 – 255, tilt 0-2700 scan
4 Y axis 16 Bit - 0 – 255 adjust speed from slowly to fast
5 Strobe - 0-17 off, 8-118 on 119-160 from slow to fast, 161-244 flash randomly 245-255 light on
6 Color + streamline - 0-11 colors + white
7 Gobo + streamline - 0 – 255 adjust speed from slowly to fast
8 Gobo self-rotating - 0 – 255 adjust speed from slowly to fast
9 Reset by controller - 0 – 255 whole unit reset
If there is a file I can use as a starting point I can take it front there.
Thanks
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Hey Rayco,
I'm working on it right now..
Can you give me some more details about channel 6, 7 and 8?
6: Which colours in which value range?
7 & 8: Which one is the rotation speed and which one is for changing the gobo?
Thanx,
Rick
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The manual has only basic info.
Will have to plug them in to get the details.
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Would it be possible at all to send me a basic version of an 9 channel profile for these to allow me to map out the colours and the gobos?
thanks
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No problem.. Going to white your personality file now..
In channel 5, is "8-118 on" the dimmer?
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Yes, I don't think there is a proper dimmer on these, just the shutter.
I'm sure they were a copy of the Robe 160 XT or something like that.
Thanks
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Please find the file attached.
To add it to Cuelux, follow this manual: http://www.visualproductions.nl/forum/index.php?topic=857.0
Please let me know if it works :)
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Great thanks.
Will get one out of the box and test it.
Will send you an update.
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Hi,
Have just noticed that is an XML file.
How do I use that as a .FXT file ?
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If you have the latest beta of Cuelux, you can install it just like you should with an FTX file.
Since the last beta we started to use the XML file format instead of the FTX file format.
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I see.
All the other ones are .FXT and as I use a Mac and edit them with Textedit it would be handy to keep to .FXT.
Is there a way of converting them?
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Hi Rayco,
Please find the fxt file attached
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Thank you Bart.
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Hi,
Have tried this one and having some problems.
Original did not work many things for set up a 9 channel dimmer to map out functions.
I came up with this set of instructions.
fixture "Daddy-Oh-2"
class yokespot
angle pan 540
angle tilt 270
position pan msb 0 0,255
position tilt msb 1 0,255
position pan lsb 2 0,255
position tilt lsb 3 0,255
strobe
{
offset 4
control 8,118
pulse 119,160
random 161,244
on 245,255
}
color
{
offset 5
slot 0,4 CLR_WHITE
slot 5,12 CLR_BLUE
slot 13,23 CLR_PINK
slot 24,33 CLR_GREEN_LIGHT
slot 34,50 CLR_CYAN
slot 51,60 CLR_YELLOW
slot 61,70 CLR_MAGENTA
slot 71,80 CLR_BLUE_LIGHT
slot 81,91 CLR_RED
slot 92,99 CLR_GREEN
slot 100,108 CLR_AMBER
slot 109,114 CLR_RED_DARK
rotation msb cw 115,155 stop 155 ccw 156,255
}
gobo
{
offset 6
slot 0,6 GB_OPEN static
slot 7,12 GB_SPLASH rotating
slot 13,20 GB_STARS rotating
slot 21,27 GB_SWIRL rotating
slot 28,34 GB_UNKNOWN rotating
slot 35,41 GB_UNKNOWN rotating
slot 42,49 GB_STAR rotating
slot 50,54 GB_DOTS rotating
slot 55,62 GB_CONE rotating
scroll 62,255
rotation msb offset 7 cw 62,154 stop 155 ccw 156,255
}
reset
{
offset 8
on 0,255
time 4
}
}
There is obviously some problems here as i dont know much about syntax.
The beam channel does not have anything on the 'dimmer' channel
Not all the gobos and colours are showing up
pan/tilt behaves erratically
colours scroll continuously
Any help you can give would be appreciated.
Also,
is there such a thing as a list of gobo patterns available, to help choose a more accurate gobo?
Regards
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There is obviously some problems here as i dont know much about syntax.
That's why I sent you the xml-file in the first place. That's much easier to understand :)
The beam channel does not have anything on the 'dimmer' channel
That because thought you said there was no dimmer.. ("Yes, I don't think there is a proper dimmer on these, just the shutter.")
Not all the gobos and colours are showing up
pan/tilt behaves erratically
colours scroll continuously
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is there such a thing as a list of gobo patterns available, to help choose a more accurate gobo?
I know this won't work with my file because I don't have the info about the colours and gobo's. So you have to add the colours and gobo's by yourself.
If you are a Windows user, you'll find all the gobo's in: C:\Program Files\Visual Productions\Cuelux....\glyphs\gobo
For the rest I found a few typo's in the personality file and I'm going to fix these right away :)
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I found the 'shutter' works best if in the dimmer fader. Maybe not the proper way to do it.
I have the colours sorted and found I had an extra gobo. I am a Mac user and have found the in the 'package'
Still have it jumping around a lot, very hard to control pan and tilt.
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I found the 'shutter' works best if in the dimmer fader. Maybe not the proper way to do it.
I will make a dimmer fader where you also can use it as a shutter.
I have the colours sorted and found I had an extra gobo. I am a Mac user and have found the in the 'package'
So you will change/add that by yourself?
Still have it jumping around a lot, very hard to control pan and tilt.
True, that's where I've found some typo's
With this message, I added a update of your personality-file. You can overwrite the old one. Can you tell me if this solves the jumpy pan/tilt?
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Much better, I see where I had mixed up the pan/tilt, maybe done that late at night.
I copied a couple of gobo pics into the 'standard' folder to make them easier to find, renamed a couple for myself.
Gobos and colours fine, but having bother with gobo rotation.
When I start up gobos do not rotate but once I have started them rotating I cannot get them to stop.
I checked the mapping using the DMX Minotor, but I'm getting some strange readings.
fixture "Daddy-Oh-2"
class yokespot
angle pan 540 tilt 270
position pan msb 0 0,255
position tilt msb 2 0,255
position pan lsb 1 0,255
position tilt lsb 3 0,255
dimmer msb 4 18,118
strobe
{
offset 4
pulse 119,160
random 161,244
on 245,255
}
color
{
offset 5
slot 0,4 CLR_WHITE
slot 5,12 CLR_BLUE
slot 13,23 CLR_PINK
slot 24,33 CLR_GREEN_LIGHT
slot 34,50 CLR_CYAN
slot 51,60 CLR_YELLOW
slot 61,70 CLR_MAGENTA
slot 71,80 CLR_BLUE_LIGHT
slot 81,91 CLR_RED
slot 92,99 CLR_GREEN
slot 100,108 CLR_AMBER
slot 109,114 CLR_RED_DARK
rotation msb cw 115,155 stop 155 ccw 156,255
}
gobo
{
offset 6
slot 0,6 GB_OPEN static
slot 7,13 GB_SPLASH rotating
slot 14,21 GB_DOTS rotating
slot 22,27 GB_swirl rotating
slot 28,34 GB_checkerz rotating
slot 35,42 GB_rose rotating
slot 43,50 GB_star_bevel rotating
slot 51,54 GB_inner_circle rotating
rotation msb offset 7 cw 54,156 ccw 157,255
}
reset
{
offset 8
on 0,255
time 4
}
}
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P.S.
When I change the dimmer it sometimes resets the pan & tilt.
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Much better, I see where I had mixed up the pan/tilt, maybe done that late at night.
I copied a couple of gobo pics into the 'standard' folder to make them easier to find, renamed a couple for myself.
Watch out with that. When there's a update, the gobo images will be lost. To use gobo images from different folders, you can take a look at the library.txt-file in the map. In there, you'll find a prefix. (For example, for Martin gobo's, it's "MAR_")
color
{
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rotation msb cw 115,155 stop 155 ccw 156,255
This will never work. You can't rotate colors ;) To scroll colors, you use this:
scroll a,b
Replace a with the slowest scroll value and b with the fastest.
gobo
{
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rotation msb offset 7 cw 54,156 ccw 157,255
The reason that it keeps rotating is that you didn't define a stop value.
You also can leave the ccw-value because depending on your dmx-overview, your fixture cannot rotate ccw.
You can replace it with this:
rotation msb offset 7 stop 0 cw 1,255
P.S.
When I change the dimmer it sometimes resets the pan & tilt.
Strange.. With my own personality-file it doesn't effect the pan/tilt.
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Hi,
Success, almost.
Got it just about right now. gobos and colours are fine, but unit still scrolls though the colour wheel (but I think this head is faulty).
Gobos rotae properly; fast-slow-stop-slow-fast
Only thing is, if I position the head then alter the STP or STR faders in 'beam' , the unit does a 360' pan !!!
here is the code;
fixture "Daddy-Oh-1"
class yokespot
angle pan 540 tilt 270
position pan msb 0 0,255
position pan lsb 1 0,255
position tilt msb 2 0,255
position tilt lsb 3 0,255
dimmer msb 4 18,118
strobe
{
offset 4
pulse 119,160
random 161,244
on 245,255
}
color
{
offset 5
slot 0,5 CLR_WHITE
slot 6,13 CLR_BLUE
slot 14,22 CLR_PINK
slot 23,33 CLR_GREEN_LIGHT
slot 34,50 CLR_CYAN
slot 51,60 CLR_YELLOW
slot 61,70 CLR_MAGENTA
slot 71,80 CLR_BLUE_LIGHT
slot 81,91 CLR_RED
slot 92,99 CLR_GREEN
slot 100,109 CLR_AMBER
slot 110,114 CLR_RED_DARK
scroll cw 115,154 stop 155,158 ccw 159,255
}
gobo
{
offset 6
slot 0,6 GB_OPEN static
slot 7,13 GB_SPLASH rotating
slot 14,21 RSS_79225sm rotating
slot 22,27 GB_swirl rotating
slot 28,34 ROB_15010142 rotating
slot 35,42 GB_rose rotating
slot 43,50 GB_star_bevel rotating
slot 51,54 ROB_15010603 rotating
rotation msb offset 7 stop 0 cw 1,133 ccw 255,136
}
reset
{
offset 8
on 0,255
time 4
}
}
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...but unit still scrolls though the colour wheel...
Hmm.. I still doubt the way you defined the scroll-attribute. Are you sure you can scroll cw and ccw?
Only thing is, if I position the head then alter the STP or STR faders in 'beam' , the unit does a 360' pan !!!
That's very strange. I can't reproduce that problem. When you go to the DMX Monitor, are the first four channels changing when you control the STL and STR?
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No, thats the strange thing.
The dmx minitor shows no change at at, but the unit takes a flying dive!
I wil have to get one of the other heads out to test it properly because this one sometimes goes straight on to colour-scroll even when it if first plugged into power. Anyone got any ideas what might be wrong with it?
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No, thats the strange thing.
When it doesn't support ccw, you shouldn't define a ccw :)
Can you try this?
scroll cw 115,255
The dmx minitor shows no change at at, but the unit takes a flying dive!
In that case there's something wrong with your unit or there's is a strange/hidden attribute your not aware of. Try to get the manual :)
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I have a manual but it is just one page, it really was that bad.
The lights are really good though shane the company vanished. They are really bright and to get rotating gobs at that price when I bought them was amazing.
They do actually do CCW, halfway up the fader they just go from going fast one way to going fast the other, without a pause.
Will get another one out this afternoon and try it.
Got to go LED with movers soon, waiting for bright ones to come out. Has anybody tried the TOPLITE ones?
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Tried this with another head tonight, fixed the colour scrolling. Everything else seems fine.
Except.
Even using another fixture it still does a full pan when you alter the STP or STR faders, when moving the fader down the unit does almost a full 360' pan.
DMX Monitor shows no reading but maybe if it was connected to a third party unit (I have Dasligt as well) it might show a reading there.
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Hmm.. I really have no idea why it's acting so strange.. Does it also pan at 50% strobe? In that case we can change the range.
And which Cuelux version are you using?
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Using latest version.
It does the pan only when you move the fader down again, even if you move it up only a little.
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I just tested in on a mac with Cuelux 1.03 build 3 beta (Mac OS), with your personality-file and a external hardware DMX-tester, but the strobe-faders only effect channel 4.
The only thing I can suggest is to wait for the new release that will be online today.
Regards,
Rick
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The following code is incorrect.
Can you try this?
scroll cw 115,255
Instead, it should be
scroll 115,255
I always fill in the CW range if the fixture supports both scroll on CW and CCW.
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Been a week or more since I looked at this so I'm lost now.
Can you please expand on this a little.
The code I have now is;
fixture "Daddy-Oh-1"
class yokespot
angle pan 540 tilt 270
position pan msb 0 0,255
position pan lsb 1 0,255
position tilt msb 2 0,255
position tilt lsb 3 0,255
dimmer msb 4 18,118
strobe
{
offset 4
pulse 119,160
random 161,244
on 245,255
}
color
{
offset 5
slot 0,10 CLR_WHITE
slot 11,20 CLR_BLUE
slot 21,30 CLR_PINK
slot 31,40 CLR_GREEN_LIGHT
slot 41,50 CLR_CYAN
slot 51,60 CLR_YELLOW
slot 61,70 CLR_MAGENTA
slot 71,80 CLR_BLUE_LIGHT
slot 81,90 CLR_RED
slot 91,100 CLR_GREEN
slot 101,110 CLR_AMBER
slot 111,120 CLR_RED_DARK
scroll 121,154 stop 0
}
gobo
{
offset 6
slot 0,6 GB_OPEN static
slot 7,13 GB_SPLASH rotating
slot 14,21 RSS_79225sm rotating
slot 22,27 GB_swirl rotating
slot 28,34 ROB_15010142 rotating
slot 35,42 GB_rose rotating
slot 43,50 GB_star_bevel rotating
slot 51,54 ROB_15010603 rotating
rotation msb offset 7 stop 0 cw 1,133 ccw 255,136
}
reset
{
offset 8
on 0,255
time 4
}
}
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I really can't figure out what's going on.. I did a triple check with a external DMX tester, but no strange things are happening..
A bit experimental, but can you try this out for me?
fixture "Daddy-Oh-1"
class yokespot
angle pan 540 tilt 270
position pan msb 0 0,255
position pan lsb 1 0,255
position tilt msb 2 0,255
position tilt lsb 3 0,255
dimmer msb 4 18,118
strobe
{
offset 4
pulse 119,160
random 161,244
}
color
{
offset 5
slot 0,10 CLR_WHITE
slot 11,20 CLR_BLUE
slot 21,30 CLR_PINK
slot 31,40 CLR_GREEN_LIGHT
slot 41,50 CLR_CYAN
slot 51,60 CLR_YELLOW
slot 61,70 CLR_MAGENTA
slot 71,80 CLR_BLUE_LIGHT
slot 81,90 CLR_RED
slot 91,100 CLR_GREEN
slot 101,110 CLR_AMBER
slot 111,120 CLR_RED_DARK
scroll 121,154 stop 0
}
gobo
{
offset 6
slot 0,6 GB_OPEN static
slot 7,13 GB_SPLASH rotating
slot 14,21 RSS_79225sm rotating
slot 22,27 GB_swirl rotating
slot 28,34 ROB_15010142 rotating
slot 35,42 GB_rose rotating
slot 43,50 GB_star_bevel rotating
slot 51,54 ROB_15010603 rotating
rotation msb offset 7 stop 0 cw 1,133 ccw 255,136
}
reset
{
offset 8
on 0,255
time 4
}
}
When still doesn't solve the problem, is it possible for you so make a short video where I can see your actions and the Funky-Oh's behaviour?
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Will try that out when I get space to set them up, will get some video if possible.
Thank you