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Title: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: bourby on November 19, 2009, 02:42:15 PM
Well ..

I have 8 faders on 8 banks

and 10 cue buttons at the top on 8 banks ..

I want to be able to trigger each of these via midi, not always by a controller - just by a midi sequencer.

At the moment, all playback faders (the only thing I can access by my BCF2000) are mirrored. Meaning the midi implementation is 8 faders on the visible screen. I'd prefer it to work along the lines of my preset 1 accesses Bank1 of the 8 faders and if I change the bank on the software - I'm still treating Bank1 by the controller. So basically I'll have an individual midi in out CC for EACH button and fader on everything.

Then I can use the MIDI out on the software to record any buttons pushes I do in the software. Full In/Out midi.

Any chance you would make a MidiMap that has ALL data in it and the Cue Buttons are all separate ..

I would praise this software.

I just worked out today that the BFC2000 has a Tempo Controll button, that's great .. I can record 2 bars of tempo into the Sequencer and then the tempo is queued for my whole track .. excellent.!!

We Midi Controll out Mixer Live, FX and some program changes on Guitar/Bass Effects .. Plus electric percussion patches ..

We're keen on moving to Cuelux away from our external control desk .. Midi just needs to be more of a whole look rather then a "what you see on screen" emulation ..

Do I explain this clear enough?.

Thanks,
Brett.
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: Jeroen van der Velden on November 19, 2009, 04:02:34 PM
We could make a MIDI-mapping for you that gives 64 "GO" notes, 64 "RELEASE" notes and 64 CCs for "Level" of the playbacks. Then you would have full MIDI control over the 64 fader-playbacks (8 playbacks x 8 banks) including intensity control per playback, GO (start the cuelist or go to next cue) and release (stop cuelist).

Would that help?
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: bourby on November 19, 2009, 04:17:18 PM
Sounds good .. could there also be 80 for the "go" buttons? ..

Plus not forgetting the tempo/blinders/fog/strobe buttons.

Hope i'm not asking too much :)

But if this could be implemented so that these output to midi out as well .. thanks I could record to sequencer, jumble and copy the parts and playback flawlessly ..

It would make for some powerful software.
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: Jeroen van der Velden on November 19, 2009, 04:24:19 PM
Sounds good .. could there also be 80 for the "go" buttons? ..
Need to be on another MIDI-channel then, as there are only 128 MIDI-notes per channel ::)

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But if this could be implemented so that these output to midi out as well .. thanks I could record to sequencer, jumble and copy the parts and playback flawlessly ..
I'll have a look at what we can do. Please let me come back on this ASAP.
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: bourby on November 19, 2009, 04:35:01 PM
I'd be happy for it to be over any of the 16 midi channels as I don't have restrictions on my device, it has 8 midi universes ..

But it would depend on the ability of the software I guess ..

If you can pull this off .. i'll be a happy man ..

Sure this would be a great selling point too ..
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: bourby on November 22, 2009, 02:38:32 AM
Trying not to sound too pushy ..

Any advance on this yet? ..

Got a show coming up shortly and would like to implement this into the existing midi sequences.

Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: bourby on November 24, 2009, 07:30:04 PM
Any update please?.

Brett.
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: Jeroen van der Velden on November 25, 2009, 11:43:26 AM
Hi Brett,

Sorry to keep you waiting. I've added the Generic.xml file to this post, it contains a "Generic MIDI" map. This is just a start - we need to add/change some MIDI implementations in Cuelux. Add it to your My Documents/Visual Productions/Cuelux/Midimaps/Factory folder in Windows, or to the Visual Productions/Cuelux/Midimaps/Factory folder in your user-folder on Mac .

(Note 0 = C-1)

Channel 0:
note on 0 - playback fader 1 GO
note on 1 - playback fader 1 RELEASE
...
note on 46 - playback fader 24 GO
note on 47  - playback fader 24 RELEASE

cc 0  - playback fader 1 INTENSITY
...
cc 23 - playback fader 1 INTENSITY


Channel 1:
note on 0 - playback button 1 GO
note on 1 - playback button 1 RELEASE
...
note on 18 - playback button 10 GO
note on 19 - playback fader 10 RELEASE

Please note:
- Currently, the MIDI triggered playbacks count relative to the displayed bank in Cuelux. So, make sure when running the show you are in bank 1 for both the buttons and faders. This will be changed in a future release of Cuelux.
- In the current version of Cuelux, there are 10 playbackbuttons per bank. This will change to 8 per bank in the next version.

Let's see if this is the way to go!

Regards,

Jeroen
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: bourby on November 25, 2009, 11:47:08 AM
Thanks mate ..

We're slightly there . i'll give this s try soon ..

but it's a bit disappointing if I can't trigger the other banks not on screen, it's then just an 8/18 channel unit

Why do you need to go from 10 to 8 buttons at the top? .. if anything .. go more.!!
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: bourby on November 25, 2009, 11:56:06 AM
Is an option to assign a midi channel per bank? ..

ie - have a common CH1 that accesses bank 1 and all the tempo buttons and such ..

Then the other banks, have them listen on appropriate channels .. ie - Bank 2 Midi CH2 and such ..

Stopping any chance of limitations ..

Thanks maybe you could up the banks from 8-16 :)
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: Jeroen van der Velden on November 25, 2009, 11:58:05 AM
Hi Brett,

I'll have a think about the MIDI channels per bank.

Please note that each playbackfader can hold a cuelist which can hold almost ( ::)) unlimited cues. You don't need to create a new cuelist on a new fader for every scene/cue you make.
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: bourby on November 25, 2009, 12:01:25 PM
I get that ..

But our setup is basically heaps of scenes we need to trigger ..

It's for a coverband with quite a few fixtures .. so we'll have 2-3 banks of just varying can chases .. that's before we get into our movers and LED colour changes ..

I get that's i'm using the unit to it's extreme .. but this will make the product even more awsome.!
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: Jeroen van der Velden on November 25, 2009, 12:02:26 PM
but it's a bit disappointing if I can't trigger the other banks not on screen, it's then just an 8/18 channel unit
You can trigger all first 24 playback faders in the current MIDI map. Just make sure you're at bank 1, then you can control fader 1-24. The rest of the faders/buttons will be added when they have been implemented in Cuelux.
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: bourby on November 25, 2009, 12:06:34 PM
What do u mean by 1-24? .. as I only have 8 per bank ..

Do you mean

Bank1 - Fader 1-8
Bank2 - Fader 1-8
Bank3 - Fader 1-8

Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: Jeroen van der Velden on November 25, 2009, 12:13:15 PM
What do u mean by 1-24? .. as I only have 8 per bank ..
I'm sorry, I see what you mean.

1-8: Bank 1
9-16: Bank 2
17-24: Bank 3

;)
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: bourby on November 25, 2009, 12:15:40 PM
Argh .. that's pretty good then ..

If this could happy with the go buttons through all banks and the rest of the faders .. you'll be a hero ..
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: bourby on November 25, 2009, 01:39:20 PM
Done some testing .. all this is looking really good ..

Can you add the special buttons when you next get a chance? ..

Black out
Grand Master Fader
Tempo
Strobe
Blinder
Fog

Just wondering, why just the 24 fader channels so far .. is there something inherent in Cuelux that allows you to access only banks 1/2/3 when in bank one via midi? ..
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: Jeroen van der Velden on November 25, 2009, 01:58:02 PM
Black out
Grand Master Fader
Tempo
Strobe
Blinder
Fog
I'll add them.

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Just wondering, why just the 24 fader channels so far .. is there something inherent in Cuelux that allows you to access only banks 1/2/3 when in bank one via midi? ..
We never needed more than 24 playback faders via MIDI (biggest MIDI controller we've used is Tascam US-2400 with 24 faders) - so the rest of the faders are not yet supported via MIDI so these need to be added in Cuelux itself.
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: bourby on November 25, 2009, 02:00:02 PM
Argh .. I see ..

If you can add it .. it would be ace ..

I'd even be prepared to pay a fee for a more "pro" version if this is beyond the scope of what you wanted to program to offer ..

Cheers,
Brett.
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: bourby on November 27, 2009, 08:20:15 AM
One other unrelated question ..

Any reason the generic dimmers on go up to 10Ch?

Most dimmers are a default 12.
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: Maarten Engels on November 27, 2009, 09:13:37 AM
It's just that with 10 dimmer channels (in the XGA screen resolution) the channel 'blocks' in the UI main screen already become so small, any more channels and the blocks would definitely become too small to select (by touch screen). That's actually the only reason.
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: bourby on November 27, 2009, 09:22:28 AM
that makes sense .. what a pain eh ..

would there be any chance of a future update including more fixtures? ..

I've maxed mine out with LED Cans and Scanners ..

I know it's designed with one page on the patch list .. but a pg 2/3 option would be usable.

gotta say though .. loving the package .. looking forward to more updates and r&d ..
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: bourby on December 01, 2009, 04:25:55 AM
Any chance of a 1080i resolution skin as this is the native macbook resolution.

If I go full screen, all my go buttons actually get cut off.
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: bourby on December 03, 2009, 11:19:13 AM
Any word on an update on this one mate?
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: Jeroen van der Velden on December 03, 2009, 02:46:09 PM
Any chance of a 1080i resolution skin as this is the native macbook resolution.

If I go full screen, all my go buttons actually get cut off.
Hi!

I'm sorry for the late reply - I just realized there are 2 pages in the topic ::)

We'll add some more resolutions to the list and find a smart solution in case there is an unsupported resolution (not messing up the screen like you experience).

In the meantime, please run Cuelux in the biggest possible "windowed" resolution (not fullscreen), that should work.

Regards,

Jeroen
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: bourby on December 04, 2009, 03:49:26 PM
Thanks mate .. it was more on the updated XML file I was chasing .. but thanks for that info ..

Would like all the implemented buttons available via midi as above.

Thanks,
Brett.
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: bourby on December 07, 2009, 10:11:45 AM
used it with some success on the weekend ..

still would be great to have control over all buttons via midi ..
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: Maarten Engels on December 07, 2009, 11:34:14 AM
.. preparing the software for it ...
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: bourby on December 07, 2009, 12:22:07 PM
Good job guys ...
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: bourby on December 17, 2009, 09:59:08 PM
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Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: bourby on December 28, 2009, 12:32:31 AM
Jerome ... where are ya.!!
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: KnowSlumber on February 06, 2010, 06:13:23 AM
Quote
Quote from: bourby on November 25, 2009, 01:39:20 PM
Black out
Grand Master Fader
Tempo
Strobe
Blinder
Fog

Did these ever get added into the generic.xml?

Any chance of adding go buttons?

What about color faders?

Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: Maarten Engels on February 08, 2010, 09:10:57 AM
I started with adding all the playback faders and playback buttons. But I can easily add those other functions as well.
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: Maarten Engels on February 09, 2010, 05:49:09 PM
v1.01.9 is now online, it has the 'generic.xml' midimapping.

I have used CC # 0-63 for playback # 0-63.
The midi channel determines the function:

channel 0 = playback fader - level intensitiy
channel 1 = playback fader - level speed
channel 2 = playback fader - level attack
channel 3 = playback fader - button flash
channel 4 = playback fader - button go
channel 5 = playback fader - button goback
channel 6 = playback button - button go

channel 14 = globals (CC 0 = fog, CC 1 = strobe, CC 2 = blinder)
channel 15 = misc functions (CC 0 = grandmaster, CC 1 = blackout, CC 2 = TempoTap, CC 3 = TempoBreak)

Just let me know if you would like anything added or modified...
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: KnowSlumber on February 12, 2010, 02:47:34 AM
I get no response from the generic.xml profile.
I've tried changing the parameters of the xml to match my controller (APC-40)
And I've tried changing the values of my controller to match the xml (Lemur)
APC confirmed to work (mostly) with the UC-33e profile and previous generic.xml
Midi light repsonding in cuelux and snoize midi monitor

Are you sure the generic.xml works on your end?
Looks like the code differs from other midi xml files.

Want to save you guys the time by doing the MIDI profiles myself, but not having a lot of luck.
Got to get the AKAI APC-40 working in the next week.

Also:

Message 9 = note
Message 11 = CC

Are there other Message #s for "note-on" & "note off" etc?
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: Maarten Engels on February 12, 2010, 10:25:45 AM
My bad, there are two faults.

The Generic.xml contains is wrong, please find a new version attached.
A bug in the software disables any playback outside the first bank. This bug is solved, the fix will appear in the next release.

Message 8 = note off
Message 9 = note on
Message 10 = aftertouch
Message 11 = CC
Message 12 = program change
Message 13 = channel pressure
Message 14 = pitchwheel


'Note off' and 'note on' with value=0 are treated as the same.
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: KnowSlumber on February 13, 2010, 03:52:05 AM
Thanks Maarten,

Still not having luck with the generic.
Got the faders online, but buttons wont map?
I changed:
Quote
<action label="Action 01">
                    <trigger type="Midi" specifier="Change">Channel 0 - Message 11 - Index 0</trigger>
                    <tasks>
                        <task type="Playback Direct Fader 01" function="Control" feature="ButtonPrimair" />
                    </tasks>
to
Quote
<action label="Action 01">
                    <trigger type="Midi" specifier="Down">Channel 0 - Message 9 - Index 0</trigger>
                    <tasks>
                        <task type="Playback Direct Fader 01" function="Set" feature="ButtonPrimair" />
                    </tasks>

without avail...

I don't really know how to code so this is a bit beyond me.

Is this because of the code or is it due to the bug?

Also:
label="control fader level pri" are the main faders.
and
label="control fader button pri" are the main pb buttons.

What do these control:
label="control fader level sec"
label="control fader level ter"
label="control fader button sec" (stop?)
label="control fader button ter" (momentary buttons under faders?)
label="control button button pri" (go buttons?)

Also:
Is there a way to control the tempo with midi?
It's pretty crucial to be able to map it to knob/fader?
and maybe buttons to - and + fine tune?
Tap is great for getting in the ballpark, but accuracy is an issue.

 :o
Lots to process I know.
Appreciate all the help.
Thanks so much
Noah
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: Rick Willeme on February 14, 2010, 08:56:08 PM
...

What do these control:
label="control fader level sec"
label="control fader level ter"
label="control fader button sec" (stop?)
label="control fader button ter" (momentary buttons under faders?)
label="control button button pri" (go buttons?)

...

Not sure about it, but it means: primary secondary tertiary..
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: KnowSlumber on February 18, 2010, 01:26:27 AM
Yes, but what does it mean?  ;)
Seriously though, need that info.
I've gone ahead and started hacking together a profile from the other midi.xmls
Also:
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<action>
                    <trigger type="Midi" specifier="Change">Channel 0 - Message 9 - Index 39</trigger>
                    <tasks>
                        <task type="Playback Button 1" feature="Play State" function ="Control">
                            <argument type="Play State">Go-Release</argument>
                        </task>
                    </tasks>
            </action>

What does Go-Release do?
Does it mean press once for GO press again for STOP?
I'm hoping that's what it does as I haven't been able to get it to work with the APC yet.

Anyway,
cheers

Noah
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: Maarten Engels on February 19, 2010, 04:18:58 PM
okay, allow me to decypher  :)

Level pri = intensity
Level sec = speed
Level ter = attack
Button pri = flash
button sec = go (press long for release)
button ter = go back

The line label="control fader level sec" does nothing, it just sets the name of this section.

I'll have a look at controlling the playback buttons via the generic.xml, maybe that's faulty...
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: KnowSlumber on February 27, 2010, 12:43:49 AM
Thanks Maarten,
I've managed to get a pretty sweet midi template for the APC40.
Still trying to figure out how to talkback via midi to the lights under the pads.

Two more Questions.

Is there a way to control the BPM with a MIDI  CC?

A way to increment the BPM + and - with MIDI note?
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: Rick Willeme on February 27, 2010, 10:39:14 PM
Is there a way to control the BPM with a MIDI  CC?

This is a small part of the Behringer BCF-2000:
Code: [Select]
<action>
                    <trigger type="Midi" specifier="Down">Channel 0 - Message 11 - Index 92</trigger>
                    <tasks>
                        <task type="Special" feature="Tempo Tap" function ="Set"/>
                    </tasks>
</action>
In this way you can tap the tempo button, and Cuelux will calculate the BPM for you :)
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: KnowSlumber on March 03, 2010, 03:59:05 AM
Thx Rick,

I've actually already got that part down pat.

I should be more clear:

Is there a way to control the BPM with a Slider or Fader?

A way to increment the BPM  by a single digit + and - with a MIDI?
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: Rick Willeme on March 03, 2010, 11:22:07 AM
Is there a way to control the BPM with a Slider or Fader?

A way to increment the BPM  by a single digit + and - with a MIDI?

As far as I know, there's not. Sounds like a RFC?
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: KnowSlumber on March 04, 2010, 12:13:56 AM
This is really a question for Maarten or Jeroen.
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: Maarten Engels on March 04, 2010, 09:19:06 AM
Is there a way to control the BPM with a MIDI  CC?

A way to increment the BPM + and - with MIDI note?

There was no way of doing this. But I am adding the feature now; consider it done for the next release  :)
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: Maarten Engels on March 04, 2010, 10:00:58 AM
done.

added to the Generic.xml.

channel 15 = misc functions
CC 0 = grandmaster
CC 1 = blackout
CC 2 = TempoTap
CC 3 = TempoBreak
CC 4 = TempoControl
CC 4 = TempoDecrement
CC 5 = TempoIncrement
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: KnowSlumber on March 05, 2010, 12:14:01 AM
Awesome! ;D
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: manny on March 11, 2010, 12:42:34 AM
Hello Jeroen,
how is the midi implementation coming along? I haven't seen anything new since  the generic xml posted last year in November when you wrote 'This is just a start - we need to add/change some MIDI implementations in Cuelux'
Still on our request list is midi clock or midi time code support.
How about setting up a midi program change map with bank changes to trigger all the cues with midi out from cuelux to record on the external sequencer.
We are running Digital Performer with a live band and we are (still) using an old hardware (CP10 XT) DMX controller, because it allows us to sequence up the lights with everything else ( Arkaoss Video, automated mixing and effects control plus backing tracks) The DMX controller is used to transmit midi program changes (and continuous controller messages) to be recorded into a sequence and it plays it back exactly the same way. With 6 banks of 128 program changes a bar by bar, even a :-\ beat by beat synchronized light show is possible.
Maybe I'm missing some information. Is that possible with cuelux as well?
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: Maarten Engels on March 11, 2010, 08:26:55 AM
hi Manny,

The latest version Generic.xml is included in the latest Cuelux release, so I don't always post the file separate. The MIDI mapping now supports controlling each individual playback through CC. so you have 64+64 playback at your disposal. Also we are making other functions from the Cuelux UI accessible via CC's or Notes. I haven't come round to supporting the MIDI clock, but its on my list as well...

regards,
Maarten
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: manny on March 11, 2010, 09:12:55 PM
Dank u for your quick response, Marteen ! :)
Looking forward to the midi BPM so it syncs up to tempo received by the external sequencer and (more practical) 50% tempo, 25 % tempo 12.5 % tempo etc.
Will the cuelux software send midi information and midi controller messages midi out through an attached midi interface to be sent to the midi in of another mac to be recorded on that mac's sequencer? (i.e. if clicking on a 'button' or moving a 'fader' on the cuelux screen the corresponding midi command will be sent)
Best
Manny
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: Maarten Engels on March 15, 2010, 02:39:55 PM
Cuelux can send out messages on change of:
- playback fader
- playback active
- playback flash
- bank change
- blackout
- grandmaster
- fixture selection active
- programmer record
- programmer delete
- release
- stack

I would like to add these messages generic.xml soon...
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: KnowSlumber on March 19, 2010, 05:05:15 AM
Quote
Message 8 = note off
Message 9 = note on
Message 10 = aftertouch
Message 11 = CC
Message 12 = program change
Message 13 = channel pressure
Message 14 = pitchwheel


'Note off' and 'note on' with value=0 are treated as the same.

Is there a way to change this in the Midi xml?
My tap tempo sends note on on press but note off on release, so I'm getting double time every time.
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: Maarten Engels on March 20, 2010, 01:46:54 PM
I don't think i can change this as it would stop other devices wrong working properly.

Does your device send - on key down - a note on with value greater than 0? Because then it should just work. Only a note on with value 0 is treated as note off.
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: KnowSlumber on March 21, 2010, 02:52:25 AM
Hmmmm...
All buttons send:
Note On 127 when pressed
Note Off 127 when released

Cuelux seems to be registering the Note Off signal though Message is type 09 (note on)
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: KnowSlumber on April 08, 2010, 02:35:51 AM
Is the above issue fixed (i.e. Cuelux registering note off with vel 127 as a note on)?

Also,

I noticed I have an endless fader above my master.
It outputs vel 1 when turned clockwise, vel 127 when turned widdershins

Would it be possible to use it to control the increment/decrement of the tempo?
And, if so, how would one write that in the xml?

Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: Maarten Engels on April 13, 2010, 01:37:51 PM
Note On 127 when pressed
Note Off 127 when released
Cuelux translates any Note Off (regardless of the value) into an Note On with value 0. The Note On with value is used in Cuelux for a button release. So in this case it should work perfectly.

It outputs vel 1 when turned clockwise, vel 127 when turned widdershins
Would it be possible to use it to control the increment/decrement of the tempo?
If both messages use the same Note number then I am afraid we cannot use it.
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: KnowSlumber on April 15, 2010, 01:00:12 AM
Gotcha.

There might be some other factor with my tap.

Thanks for the help.

Note: Figured this out. Specified was change. Switched it to down, works perfect.
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: KnowSlumber on May 08, 2010, 06:56:09 AM
Is there any way to use specific velocities to control midi functions?

I'd like to be able to map my endless knob to control the speed increment/decrement.

Specifically, with endless knobs, they send vel 127 when turned left, vel 1 when turned right.

Is this doable with an "argument type=Unsigned"?

Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: Maarten Engels on May 11, 2010, 10:11:16 AM
Sorry, currently there is no way of using the velocities like that.
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: dagwood on May 15, 2010, 04:23:47 PM
How soon will Cuelux be able to send out midi messages from the Generic.xml midi setup. I need to midi sequence a summer tour that starts in 2 weeks and having this feature will let me use Cuelux for many to see. Like Manny has asked for I too am using Digital Performer to sequence a light show and need to be able to access all 64 faders that have dedicated scenes.

Would you be able to tell me if it is even possible to get this done for next week? If so I will wait on programming so I can use your software. I'm connecting Cuelux directly to Digital Performer and want to move the faders on the screen and have them output midi to the computer. I see all the other templates do so but I need to access all 64 faders without bank changes.

Cuelux can send out messages on change of:
- playback fader
- playback active
- playback flash
- bank change
- blackout
- grandmaster
- fixture selection active
- programmer record
- programmer delete
- release
- stack

I would like to add these messages generic.xml soon...????????????
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: KnowSlumber on May 16, 2010, 12:19:18 PM
 ??? It can right now.

"Playback Fader Direct" directly accesses all the fader functions, for triggering.

Feedback is available for all the playback buttons and faders.

You just need to edit the generic.xml to suit your needs. Copy and paste from the other templates. Experiment.

Just make sure the code has a <actionlist label="whatever"> followed by a </actionlist>.
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: dagwood on May 16, 2010, 02:55:47 PM
That doesn't work for me.... I need to move the faders in Cuelux and have them output midi to Digital performer.
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: KnowSlumber on May 18, 2010, 04:55:53 AM
Can't you can do just that with the feedback code?
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: dagwood on May 18, 2010, 06:02:11 PM
I'm not sure what you mean or how you do that... Could you explain a bit more. I don't want to setup Digital Performer as a controller. I just want it to record the midi data and play it back. Digital Performer has show files full of audio tracks and video switching cues. Right now I am using a Behringer lighting desk and while rehersals are going on I run the subgroups live as the songs are taking place and record the midi out of the machines to playback later for the real show. Thus eliminating an operator.
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: KnowSlumber on May 18, 2010, 09:38:38 PM
I do similar automation/sequencing with Ableton live.

To record, you just set the MIDI output in Cuelux to Digial Performers MIDI input.

You can only have one MIDI out in Cuelux.

If you want to keep feedback to your MIDI controller, go through an intermediary MIDI program like Midipipe.

Set it to receive Cuelux feedback and relay the signal back to your Behringer and DP.
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: dagwood on May 19, 2010, 02:07:46 PM
The generic midi file doesn't output midi.. All other templates seem to do so. I'm not using a Behringer midi controller but was using a Behringer lighting desk. I have replaced that with Cuelux. I guess I should have made myself more clear. I think you are giving me help for if I wanted to use a midi controller with DP.

I just need the generic midi temp on Cuelux to output midi so I can access all 64 faders without changing banks. I will record this info by midi into DP and use this to run Cuelux during my show. All my songs have audio tracks so I can automate my lights to the tracks. This is what I use to do with the Behringer lighting desk.

I hope this is clearer. Any advice from Admin?

Thanks for everyones help so far.
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: KnowSlumber on May 19, 2010, 10:21:48 PM
Quote
You just need to edit the generic.xml to suit your needs. Copy and paste from the other templates. Experiment.

You can add it yourself.
Open the .xml you want to grab code from, copy the portion you want to use, and paste it into the genereic.xml.
That's all there is to it.

You can mix and match code from all the xml files.
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: Maarten Engels on May 20, 2010, 03:56:50 PM
I am adding feedback messages to the generic.xml...
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: KnowSlumber on May 21, 2010, 09:01:37 AM
give a man a fish...
 :D
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: bourby on July 08, 2010, 05:25:44 PM
So does this generic have full midi feedback now?
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: Maarten Engels on July 13, 2010, 04:43:36 PM
The Generic midimaps sends out feedback CCs on:

playback faders : Intensity, Speed, Attack, flash, Active, Inactive
playback buttons: Active

For this midi OUT function the same channels and CC numbers are used as the midi IN function. Please have a look at the attached PDF.
Title: Re: Cuelux & MIDI from sequencer
Post by: bourby on July 16, 2010, 03:15:50 AM
That looks ace ..

And this is in the currently released generic.xml (ie - there's not one I need to drop in since the last software release?).

Thanks ...