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November 08, 2010, 03:40:01 AM
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Hello Bart,

Yes, it's nice that our lights will go stand-alone.  ;)

@ All,

Here some screen-shots:

Here a MAP function in Qlab, triggered on 8:30 AM


After triggering the MAP, it will start all cue's inside.


Here our special_light, this one is triggered with a BCF-2000 button.


After the triggering, the special makes a fade-in from 2 seconds.


This is the cue, and will activate when the Foyer is not open...
After this, all lights are off.... only one chase is active during the night.


This is CueLux after a "Opstart_Manual" or "8:30 uur Stand"

I didn't find time to make some pictures from our Foyer-setup. (coming soon)
With Best Regards,
Marten

November 08, 2010, 11:07:46 AM
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Great to see, very interesting to see the combination with Qlab..
Maarten Engels
Visual Productions BV

November 08, 2010, 03:56:12 PM
Reply #17

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Hello Maarten,

Thanks for your reply  ;)

Qlab is a nice app to have...
It makes it easy to run a show with some video's/photo's and audio... (it's a Pro powerpoint/keynote app, with a lot more options  ;D )
The MIDI option makes it possible to trigger all the lights.

BTW: Did you read my PM ? (I sent this one at 3 November)
With Best Regards,
Marten

November 16, 2010, 04:37:22 PM
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Hey Marten!
Alles goed daar in 't Haagse?
Ik ben nu een beetje aan het klooien met de generic midimap i.c.m. Qlab/Cuelux maar het wil me niet echt
van een Leie dakje vergaan.
als ik bijvoorbeeld een Q maak in Qlab pakt Cuelux hem niet terwijl ik via AUDIO/MIDI config. hem wel heb geselecteerd in
cuelux.
welke midi messages gebruik jij en hoe is je setup?
Hoop dat je een idee hebt wat ik verkeerd doe.
Groetjes Sander.
(van Toneelgroep Maastricht)

November 16, 2010, 10:13:07 PM
Reply #19

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Hey Sander,

Ja, hier gaat die prima  ;D

Hier een paar voorbeelden, zoals ik het nu toepas:
(here a couple off screenshots from my midi-part)


In de midi-studio heb ik een aparte CueLux midi-configuratie aangemaakt.
(In midi-studio I made a separate CueLux midi-configuration.)


Hier de setup in CueLux:


Hier de midi-commando om playlist-4 een GO te geven:
(Here the midi-command to give a GO to playlist-4)

Zoals je ziet, is dit een fade-out, waarbij de fade-out curve vrijwel direct van 127 naar 0 gaat !
(the fade-out curve is not linear !)

Jammer genoeg mist CueLux soms een GO, ik ben nog aan het uitzoeken of dat dit op te lossen is.
Hetgeen wat een nadeel is, is die 2-seconden release effect op de play-buttons.
Als dit er niet zou zijn, dan zou de fadetijd langer kunnen worden.

Hetgeen waar CueLux op reageert, is voornamelijk op de 0 waarde...
Als je de GO-button op je midi-controller indrukt...
Dan merk je, dat CueLux reageert zodra je de button weer loslaat.
Nu ben ik nog niet zo bekend met midi, ik hoop dat het uiteindelijk zal gaan lukken...
Om safe te kunnen draaien via Qlab.

Stuur mij anders even je email-adres door per PB, dan stuur ik je een test Qlab file toe  ;)
With Best Regards,
Marten

November 17, 2010, 10:06:59 AM
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Hey Marten,

Looks great!
A few comments that might help you:

Jammer genoeg mist CueLux soms een GO, ik ben nog aan het uitzoeken of dat dit op te lossen is.
Hetgeen wat een nadeel is, is die 2-seconden release effect op de play-buttons.
Als dit er niet zou zijn, dan zou de fadetijd langer kunnen worden.

With a release-action, you can release go-buttons much faster.
I've copied this from the Elation Midicon-map:
Code: [Select]
                <action>
                    <trigger type="Midi" specifier="Change">Channel 0 - Message 9 - Index 23</trigger>
                    <tasks>
                        <task type="Special" feature="Release" function ="Set"/>
                    </tasks>
</action>

Hetgeen waar CueLux op reageert, is voornamelijk op de 0 waarde...
Als je de GO-button op je midi-controller indrukt...
Dan merk je, dat CueLux reageert zodra je de button weer loslaat.
Nu ben ik nog niet zo bekend met midi, ik hoop dat het uiteindelijk zal gaan lukken...
Om safe te kunnen draaien via Qlab.
That's true, but that has a reason:
When you released your button, Cuelux can check if it was a short or a long press. Maybe you can play with some value so it's long enough to be recognised by Cuelux, but doesn't come in the long-press-range.

Hope this helps you!

Gr,
Rick

November 17, 2010, 11:37:17 AM
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Hello Rick,

Thanks for your help...
I now about the quick release midi function.
The point is, that there is a risk that the playlist will released when I don't want to let it happen.
With the fade-out time in Qlab, I have played a lot, whit different values and curves.

I'm still thinking to change all RGB-pars to a full dimmer-fixture...(5 dimmer subs)
When I do this, I can use the faders to make a cross-fade between the cue's.

I come back later to this point... I have to go now  :D
With Best Regards,
Marten

November 19, 2010, 12:21:36 AM
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I'm back again.... ;D

Yesterday it was the first time that I used CueLux with some live bands on stage  :D
In a small time I programmed some easy effects to our RGB-pars on stage...
We also used two extra six-bars to get more impact.
For the six-bars I programmed some chases.

Just one point...
The fader-start function will not work all the time in combination with the BCF2000 !
Sometime the auto GO-function didn't trigger GO, the fader-feedback is no problem and is always 1:1.
I now it's a small area to give the GO-info to CueLux... (otherwise there is all the time a GO-triggering)

Is it possible to make the first Q in that playlist more safe, so it always go's active when you move the fader Upwards ?
(basically I only use a fader-start when I have one Q in that playlist)
When there are more Q's stored in that playlist...
As long the fader is between level 1 and 127 only Q-1 can be activated...
(When Q-1 already is active, there is no GO anymore when you move the fader Upwards.)
When the fader stays at level 5 and you moved the fader Upwards and Q-1 is in-active, then Q-1 will be activated...
When you pressed the GO-button, the playlist go's to Q-2...
When Q-2 ore higher is active, Q-1 can't be activated anymore by fader, until the playlist is released again.
I hope you understand what I mean, otherwise I will sent you a PM in Dutch  ;D

To come back on my last post...

If I will use Qlab safe (on this moment), I have to change the personality from our RGB-pars...
For each RGB-par I will use a generic 3-dimmer pack personality... (don't need all the functions, see code)
This all makes it possible, that I can use the fader-start option...
(when I use the fader-start option with the normal personality... there is a problem with the color-change between different playlists...[HTP/LTP problem]
Also the LTP-function doesn't solved this problem)
A dimmer output-level is also depend from the fader position.
This makes it possible to make a better cross-fade between different playlists, without a hard color-change.

Here the generic personality code:
Code: [Select]
fixture "RGB-par"
mode "mode-5"
{
sub
    {
dimmer msb 0 0,255
    }
sub
    {
dimmer msb 1 0,255
    }
sub
    {
dimmer msb 2 0,255
    }
    preset 3 0
    preset 4 255
    preset 5 0
}

Code: [Select]
preset 3 0This is normally the Strobe-function and is now disabled.

Code: [Select]
preset 4 255The main-dimmer function is now always set to 255.

Code: [Select]
preset 5 0This is normally a effect and is now disabled.

With Qlab I can now use the fade-in to move the fader Upwards, or a fade-out to move the fader Downwards..
This is more safe than a GO-function.

When we have a live-band, then I will open a other show-file.
In this show, all RGB-pars are patch with the normal Ignition personality.
With Best Regards,
Marten

November 19, 2010, 10:11:56 AM
Reply #23

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Just one point...
The fader-start function will not work all the time in combination with the BCF2000 !
Sometime the auto GO-function didn't trigger GO, the fader-feedback is no problem and is always 1:1.
I now it's a small area to give the GO-info to CueLux... (otherwise there is all the time a GO-triggering)
The only issue that I know with the BCF is that it sometimes doens't sends a 0 value when the fader is down. Then the cue on the fader will not stop. Do you mean the same?

Is it possible to make the first Q in that playlist more safe, so it always go's active when you move the fader Upwards ?
(basically I only use a fader-start when I have one Q in that playlist)
When there are more Q's stored in that playlist...
As long the fader is between level 1 and 127 only Q-1 can be activated...
(When Q-1 already is active, there is no GO anymore when you move the fader Upwards.)
When the fader stays at level 5 and you moved the fader Upwards and Q-1 is in-active, then Q-1 will be activated...
When you pressed the GO-button, the playlist go's to Q-2...
When Q-2 ore higher is active, Q-1 can't be activated anymore by fader, until the playlist is released again.
I hope you understand what I mean, otherwise I will sent you a PM in Dutch  ;D
I think I know what you mean. I'll discuss this with the team.

If I will use Qlab safe (on this moment), I have to change the personality from our RGB-pars...
For each RGB-par I will use a generic 3-dimmer pack personality... (don't need all the functions, see code)
This all makes it possible, that I can use the fader-start option...
(when I use the fader-start option with the normal personality... there is a problem with the color-change between different playlists...[HTP/LTP problem]
Also the LTP-function doesn't solved this problem)
A dimmer output-level is also depend from the fader position.
This makes it possible to make a better cross-fade between different playlists, without a hard color-change.

Here the generic personality code:
[ ... ]
So with both options (HTP/LTP) you don't get a good colormix?

Thanks

November 19, 2010, 10:35:03 AM
Reply #24

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Hello Rick,

Thanks for your reply.

I'm not sure about the BCF2000, I think the 0 will sent ones shortly...
It's possible that CueLux will miss that triggering.

If I select the LTP option, the color in the new playlist will start with a zero valeu... (the LTP function cleared all color values to zero)
This means that the new playlist starts from dark to the new color.

I hope to try today the new setup with the dimmer personality.
This will saves a lot with this color problem.
With Best Regards,
Marten

November 22, 2010, 08:09:30 PM
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Hello All,

Here finally some pictures from our setup:


This is the first fader-preset and this starts on 8:30 AM.
(all playlist are selected as background and all fader-starts are deselected.)


we only use 8 faders and one button to control all the lights during a evening.
In the BCF2000 midi-map I delete all buttons and encoder-wheels functions.


Just one more from the BCF2000...


On this picture you will see our set on the right side in the middle.

The new personality's for the RGB pars are working great and much better for our situation.
All RGB pars are working now like a normal par.
With Best Regards,
Marten

November 23, 2010, 09:27:14 AM
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November 23, 2010, 09:27:46 AM
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Thanks for posting the photos; really nice to see...
Maarten Engels
Visual Productions BV

November 23, 2010, 09:46:20 PM
Reply #28

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Hello Maarten en Rick,

Thanks for the positive comment  ;D
I do my best to show here our complete setup, including some personal changes.

Here also a new PrintScreen from how it looks with the new personality's:


I also changed some Fonts, to make it better readable by all the playlists and the editor.
With Best Regards,
Marten

 

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